Kati & Joyce On The Weird, Gross, And Funny Things Dogs Do

00:00 — Kati introduces Off Leash and Unfiltered, her dog-training podcast focused on helping dogs listen…

Speaker 1: Welcome to Off Leash and Unfiltered Trigger Warning. I'm Kati Peppe, delivering the Truth in Dog Training.

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Speaker 2: Today we are here with Joyce. Joyce is gonna join me today for our podcast episode where we are talking about the odd things that dogs do, the strange, the weird, the disgusting <laugh> <laugh>, all of the above. All of the above. Um, and I thought I would kick it off by just talking about some of the weird things that my own dogs do. Um, you know, you get to, you gotta make fun of your own dogs before you make fun of anybody else's. And it just so happens that the, some of the weirdest things I've seen a dog do, it's Joyce's dog <laugh>, so I stole mine.

Speaker 2: It's okay. <laugh>. Did I? No, it's fine. I have if I hadn't told you. Yeah, I have more. Um, so my own dog, boo is very weird about eye contact, um, especially with strangers. So it's funny because he's one of the most loving, affectionate dogs and you hear this a lot about pities and he's pity mixed.

Speaker 2: Um, he demands attention all the time, loves to be pet. He could just sit there for hours and let you pet him. But eye contact, he's really weird about if he's eating and I make eye contact with him, he definitely thinks I'm gonna try to take his food. <laugh>, you can see he gets, he gets a little b bristly, um, stranger makes eye contact with him and he thinks it's like they wanna fight him. And so I actually got a lecture from the vet one time about how bad it is that he makes such solid eye <laugh> eye contact and it's like, tell me more in your infinite wisdom veterinarian.

03:00 — Boo punches excitedly with his paws, forcing Kati’s husband to protect himself.

Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, he's really weird about eye contact, which is, which is funny. Um, one of the funnier things though is that he tends to um, he tends to punch with his paws when he gets excited.

Speaker 2: So, so my husband has to guard his jewels because the <laugh> really when the dog gets really exci, he knows when he, like, when he comes in the house, he's gonna just gar, like he should wear a cup <laugh> when he comes in because the dog will just run over and just punch him straight in the nuts. Um, yeah, which is pretty hilarious. And um, one of the, one of the other, this is the last one, last one for Boo. I've got a list a mile long. I could go on and on about Boo. He's a very weird dog, but he, um, has to pee over everybody else's pee.

Speaker 3: My dogs does that. Really? Yes. Yeah. So Zoe will pee and Bella will come right up behind her and the second she could have peed three times and if Zoe pees, she will run right up and pee on it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: And I mean, I guess I shouldn't act so surprised because I think it's a really common behavior for dogs, but honestly I've seen it more as like a male dog behavior. So I guess that's why it surprised me a little bit. But even, even if a human <laugh>, my husband decides to take a leak out in the yard, the dog has to come over and <laugh> be on top of it. <laugh>, so they have their That's so

Speaker 3: Funny. In their little thing.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they have their own little, um, urination wars going on out there, so it's hilarious. Um, niblets got a few things, but we will talk about him later maybe. Um, but yeah, that's, that's my short list for some of boo's top strange behaviors. Um, what do you have going on dear

Speaker 3: Dogs? Well, I think with my, I have two, so with Bella, she is, um, super affectionate and she needs, if you're not paying attention to her, she will start to whine. And so if you're on the couch at night and you start to pet her just to be nice, you take your hand away and she's like, no, you're not done. And she'll like whine and kind of cry a little, whoops. Until she just is manipulating you to just petter until she's done <laugh>. So

Speaker 2: Yeah. And a lot of dogs are like kind of needy and we'll beg for affection or demand affect, but she'll actually like cry at you.

Speaker 3: Yeah. She cries or she'll paw, she'll be like, Ooh, she'll have a conversation with us. Yeah. Um, and then my other dog, Zoe, one of the things that she's super affectionate too, we'll do just about anything that you want her to. Um, but if you wanna move her, like if she's laying on the bed and you come in and you want, you're like scooch over, she like plants herself like you can't move her.

Speaker 2: Oh, the old English lab plants? Yeah, she

Speaker 3: Just plants and um, won't move or you know, she'll run up and give you hugs, but if you want her to move she just plants and she won't <laugh>. I'm like, what is that? Like what are you doing?

Speaker 2: Well that's like what Bella would do when you would try to walk her <laugh>.

Speaker 3: Yeah. That was early on in her training with the prong caller. She didn't like the prong caller. She didn't know what it was. She was like, what is this? Um, yeah. And she would just completely lay down and just flat, I think you call it pancake, pancake

06:00 — A dog flattens into a pancake and refuses to move, apparently trying to make…

Speaker 2: Time and

Speaker 3: See was the time moved. And I was like, what's wrong with her? You know? And I remember texting you or calling you and being like, she won't, I can't get her to move. And she goes, she's just gotta keep the tension on and pull her until she moves <laugh>. And I was like, okay. And then she doesn't do that anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 2: She was

Speaker 3: Like, Nope. Um, she just did not want to do that. But Zoe will stop like a lot of dogs do and will just be like, no, I'm not moving. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: Do you convince her? But that's funny. Yeah. So even in the lay down position, she's learned to dig her heels so, so to speak <laugh>,

Speaker 3: You know? Yep, yep. If you ask though, if you ask nicely then she'll get up and she'll kind of go, but if you just try to nudge her, she's like, I'm not going anywhere. Oh my

Speaker 2: God. Yeah. Well, so as long as we're talking about your dogs and apparently I stole, I stole your weird behavior you were gonna talk about, but when I was boarding your dogs, you told me Zoe would eat bill's. Poof. So I was watching for that. Yep. And I didn't see any of that. She didn't do that at my house. Um, but she did however, have another really strange behavior, right? Oh yeah. Which was Bella would pee and Bella's the yellow lamb and then Zoe, who's the chocolate lab, would come over and try to bury her pee with her nose.

Speaker 2: She'd try to flick <laugh> dirt over the top of it.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I was reading about that 'cause afterwards 'cause she even got like a little like scab on her nose. 'cause she said like she was with you for like a week, I think. And um, yeah. You said she keeps rubbing her face in the her nose. Yeah.

Speaker 2: She rubbed her nose a little bit wrong.

Speaker 3: Trying to, yeah. And when I was, I googled that, I like what the heck's that she'd never seen that. And um, they talked about how it could be like, um, just stress, like, um, trying to be protective. So maybe she was like, no one's gonna touch always B <laugh>. Yeah. I mean always

Speaker 2: Be, I have no idea. I tend to think that most of those things online are just Yeah. A bunch

Speaker 3: Of who knows. Yeah. It

Speaker 2: Was strange. Someone

Speaker 3: Made up. She doesn't do that at, uh, at the house that I have ever noticed.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Very. So she had a whole different set of strange behaviors. Yeah. Yeah. The ones she does at your house were Yeah, I didn't see. Yeah. Um, but then she did some different stuff while they were with me, which was kind of funny. <laugh>, uh, but yeah, dogs, you know, everyone wants to look for some like, explanation of like why their dog does these weird things. And it's like, eh, it's like dogs do dog stuff. It's what they do. They do weird things.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I've seen a couple weird things with the dogs that we've trained. Um, so I dunno if you're gonna, you want me to just say Yeah. Yeah. So one, I think it might've even been TikTok who's here now and a couple other dogs. They just, they are independent dogs, you know, not really used to being told what to do apparently as, as you described it. And so as you're training them, they, um, they'll come out of the command and they will just doing an about face and not look at you. They're like, I the one dog, I can't remember <laugh> who it was exactly, would just turn around and face the door.

09:00 — A dog repeatedly leaves place, turns toward the door, and appears to expect its…

Speaker 3: I thought the dog was thinking, oh, my owner's coming for me. And, and I was like, you thinking of

Speaker 2: Toshi,

Speaker 3: We maybe Yeah, Toshi. So like 10 reps in a row coming off place and he would just come off, turn around, look at the door. Like, I didn't exist. Oh

Speaker 2: Yeah. T

Speaker 3: If I can't see you, I don't have to listen to you. <laugh>.

Speaker 2: It was just a big old and I was

Speaker 3: Yeah. No affection. No. You know, usually after a while you'd make a connection with the dog.

Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they want

Speaker 3: The, the treat or they want the pet.

Speaker 2: You, this dog penetrable

Speaker 3: Just like you do not matter.

Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn this off because I'm just so popular today.

Speaker 3: Um, so yeah. I thought that was strange because I had never experienced that

Speaker 2: Before. Yeah. I mean, we get dogs that are totally tuned out. Right. And not real engaged, but like Tashi was another level.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Whole other level. It's weird too because he would, he would do the, the, the drills, um, you know, as he was supposed to, but then he would turn around and not look where there's been a few other dogs where there's like zero enthusiasm. Like they just do the rep like, like it's the worst thing in the world asking world to do. They have no energy, they could care less. And you work with 'em for 20 minutes and it doesn't, it doesn't change from the start to the end. They're just like,

Speaker 2: But if you turned them loose, like outside Yeah. Where there's squirrels or, or if they could just go chase a ball or do whatever they wanted to, they'd have all kinds of energy. Right. They'd just be full of it running around monkey business, tongue flying. Yeah. But because you're asking them to do stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 3: They don't wanna work. Yeah.

Speaker 2: It's like, oh God, I don't have an ounce of energy left. <laugh>. Yeah. I love that when that happens. But speaking of Zoe, 'cause your dog's name is Zoe. Do you remember the Zoe? We had, she was a golden retriever and her owners dropped her off for just the standard board and train. Um, but we could see in the drop off that she was like really fearful.

Speaker 3: Yeah. You couldn't get her into the crates. She just would like hug your legs, would like get under your legs. And that's what I was gonna say. Yes. I

Speaker 2: Remember she would hug you. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. So tight that her delaws would like dig into the back of your

Speaker 3: Stomachs. Yeah. It was really concerning. 'cause I was like, I'm gonna trip over this dog and hurt her. <laugh>.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember her owner saying like, oh, we thought it was weird that she would hug us, but we just thought it was cute. And it's like she was actually just terrified for her life. Yeah. Um, but the hugging was intense. Like you have, I've had dogs kind of get clingy, right? Yeah. And sticky when they're nervous and fearful. But I don't think I've ever had a dog quite do that where she was like right up on her hind legs. She'd wrap her front legs around you and que like actually squeeze Right.

Speaker 3: <laugh>. Yeah. That was insane.

Speaker 2: It was pretty insane. Oh God. And then another one was blue. I'm sure you remember blue. Yeah. The German Shepherd. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And that was another one we couldn't get into the Cree.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I, that was one of my first experiences with not being able to get the dog at the gate. I was like, what's happening?

Speaker 2: What is happening here? <laugh>, um, blew the German Shepherd who came in also, I think originally for just a regular board and train, um, but was right out of his mind. And he would do this. Do you remember the thing he would do? Um, because he, he really couldn't tolerate even being restrained on a leash and he would like kind of jump up and headbutt you in the stomach.

12:00 — A German Shepherd struggled intensely with leash restraint and displayed alarming behavior during boarding.

Speaker 3: <laugh>. I never experienced that.

Speaker 2: He did that to me and I saw him do it to his owner, um, both at drop off and when he first came back for the go home,

Speaker 3: Remember he would kind of go up and then he would do circles, you know, like he just, anything and everything to just not have to, I don't know, go into the grade or do whatever it was you were asking it to.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Every, every single thing you wanted him to do, it was like, let's see if I can get outta this. Yeah. And it was almost like full panic mode, especially getting into the car.

Speaker 3: Yeah. <laugh>,

Speaker 2: Which was one of the most horrific getting into the car experiences we've ever had.

Speaker 3: That was bad.

Speaker 2: It really was bad.

Speaker 3: Anyone watching that would've like called like a hundred percent for animal service. Yeah. Like what are they doing? Didn't stop. Of course.

Speaker 2: It doesn't take much nowadays. Um, yeah.

Speaker 3: Or the dogs that are big and tough and have, um, you know, reactivity and then you put the prong collar on them and you do the slightest little tension and they cry like a baby.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Like you're stabbing them to death.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Like <laugh> like

Speaker 2: Gentlest amount of pressure.

Speaker 3: Yeah. And they're, they can't handle it.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, really dramatic. We get some of those, but even funnier, I, I think was I, and this was before you because this was before I even had this, um, space here to work in and I was going into people's homes and there was a lady who had this little tiny Maltese. And the reason they had originally called me really was mostly because it was guarding. Yeah. So it's a tiny little dog. You know, my, I don't even think it weighed five pounds and it was spoiled rotten and especially, um, paper products. Like it would grab toilet tissue and stuff and shred it up like dogs do.

Speaker 2: And if they tried to take it away, it would bite them. <laugh>.

Speaker 3: Oh geez.

Speaker 2: Yeah. It was very, uh, very intense little guarding machine. Um, but anyways, I'm at their house doing a private lesson and we'd put a micro prong on the dog and we're just doing like place, you know, place reps with the dog and like you put the collar on and the second you put just the tiniest bit of little pressure and the dog couldn't do its own thing where it would pull and resist. Yeah. Crocodile roll, it would scream. And crocodile actually rolling over and over and over. <laugh> doing the crocodile roll in the living room.

Speaker 2: It was insane. Um, spoiled little dog. Yeah. They do that sometimes, but we don't see that very often where they go into full like crocodile roll, roll mode. So that was pretty hilarious. <laugh>

Speaker 3: I saw, I don't know how real it was, but it wasn't here. I saw something on Instagram a little while ago where, um, this, uh, Husky was in the vet and they were trying to, I don't know, clip its nails or Oh God, Husky or something. And the dog started like howling, like they do, and then it rolled over and played dead. Like

15:00 — The hosts recall a Husky howling dramatically during a veterinary procedure before rolling over.

Speaker 2: <laugh>. That's a different approach. Yeah. You gotta you gotta hand it to 'em thinking outside the box there. Like maybe, maybe if I just die right here on the table. Yeah. But they won't cut my nails. <laugh> could teach TikTok that one. Yeah. Oh my God. Wow. Yeah. That's really something. But speaking too, of poop eating, uh, we had a dog who would do that and to her own poop though. Ugh. Big Bernie's mountain dog. So too. So it was like these big, she would take these like dinosaur craps, like so big, so gross. It's so gross.

Speaker 2: But it's, it's just so awful when like, they'll eat their own because Yeah. Like they'll just go in their crate and turn around and eat it. Yeah, I know. You see your face. You're, can we not talk about this <laugh>, but it's like, oh, like I have a treat dispenser back there. Like, who knew <laugh>? Yeah. I could just turn one out you time. I would turn around. Yum. Yum. Uh, so awful. But I would know because even from upstairs in my bedroom, 'cause the dog crates are in the office, which is like directly underneath my bedroom.

Speaker 2: Like I could smell it from my <laugh> from my bedroom and then

Speaker 3: You'd go down. There

Speaker 2: Wouldn't be anything. So I would know. Yeah. And I would go down and like, I didn't really see anything, but if I looked like I could see that there were like remnants. Yeah. Oh God, I'm, this makes me nauseous even thinking about it. Oh, so awful. Yeah, dog. So weird.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Kind of crazy weird

Speaker 2: Stuff. Stuff. Personality of your own, that's for sure.

Speaker 2: Funny story. So I've told this story quite a bit to our clients and I've talked about it on the podcast before too. So some of you might have heard it before, but Boo man and definitely nibble it too now, but especially Boo with my mother, man, it's like, believe me, you dogs know, like they will make the discrimination. So I love telling the story because I was trying to teach my dog not to eat cat food and that was easy enough to do. Right? It's like if you know how to stop the behavior Right. You just punish the behavior and they don't do it anymore.

Speaker 2: And so we did that, right? So I just, you know, put cat food fresh can of cat food in the cat bowl, like irresistible to the dog. Right. And all I had to do was just wait for him to go over there and I gave him a, a really big correction and that was the end of that.

Speaker 2: But then I, you know, I had to set up the baby monitor and go kind of hide outside to make sure he, he wasn't gonna sneak over there and eat it when I was gone. Because common sense, right. Your dog knows like, they can't do it when you're around, but they're still gonna do it when you're not around. Right, right, right. That's normal. So I'm hiding outside, you know, I've got my baby monitor set up and um, and I know there's a slight delay too, so I'm trying to be really precise about timing it right as he's about to get into the cat food and I'm watching on the monitor and sure enough, like he gets over there, he's sniffing it, checking it out, and then I can see him starting to move into the bowl.

Speaker 2: And right then I gave him a really big high correction.

Speaker 2: And so now he's like, oh man, cat food bowl is like super hot even when Kati's not around. Right. Can't get in there even when I'm alone. And so after that, you know, I set him up a few times just to see what he would do. He made great decisions. He never went anywhere near it. And so then I started leaving him out when I would take short trips. I started leaving him out when I would come to work and I could leave him out of his kennel for eight hours while I was gone. And he would not touch the cat food, which was great.

19:00 — Boo ignores cat food when Kati is present but eats it freely when her…

Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, this is a win. Um, but you know, the funny thing is if my mom is there, 'cause she comes over and she helps me with the, the cleaning and she'll take care of the dogs and stuff if I have a long day. Uh, which is nice and I appreciate that. But you know, she's not the best with dog training <laugh> or with like, enforcing rules of any kind. It's a big softy, just a little bit. Um, that's what's wrong with me. <laugh>. <laugh>. Sure. <laugh>.

Speaker 2: And so when she's there he'll just eat the cat food and people are like, what? What do you mean? Because like, he won't eat it if I'm home and he won't even eat it if he's there completely by himself and to people they're like, that doesn't make any sense. Um, but you know, to us we understand like it makes perfect sense because they just learn the associations and they learn how to make the discriminations right. So he's learned when my mom is there, there's no consequences for anything. Right, right. It's all green lights. So like he knows he can just mouth that cat food right down when she's there and there's, there's not gonna be any consequences for that at all.

Speaker 2: But do your dogs have any weird things like that?

Speaker 3: Um, no.

Speaker 2: No, no. Discriminations,

Speaker 3: No.

Speaker 2: They don't act different when your daughter's around. Nothing

Speaker 3: Like that. Well actually yeah, I take that back. So when she's around they will tend to like maybe jump up more like on her, get excited Yeah. That type of thing. But that's probably it. Yeah. Um, you know, they're bad behaviors, they just don't do anymore. Yeah. Um, although every now and then, even though I've done the high corrections with Zoe for the poop outside, um, if some time goes by

Speaker 2: She'll go again. Yeah. She'll get another whi worth giving it another try. And

Speaker 3: So I'm always watching her out there, which I hate 'cause I have to be neurotic. Um, but there's a couple times where I've, I've done it really high and not at a hundred but high. And then she like jumps,

Speaker 2: You know what I would do? I

Speaker 3: Know <laugh>. I know.

Speaker 2: And then she doesn't touch it. Don't eat poop. Please don't eat poop. I ate it. <laugh>. Yeah.

Speaker 3: It's gross. It's a little easier in the snow. <laugh>.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. Because

Speaker 3: It gets buried. But um, yeah. Oh

Speaker 2: My God.

Speaker 3: Well kind of, I think similar to like the zero enthusiasm would just be complete indifference. Just, you know, um, and maybe they're the same, the same, but, um, just doing it, you know, doing the drill, you know, you do the recall and they come back, they don't hesitate, but they're not making you feel good about it. You know, they're just like slow,

Speaker 2: Slow as

Speaker 3: You can't really correct them because they're doing it, but they're just, you know, not giving you anything. Right. So it's just, they're like, yeah, I'm gonna do it, but I'm not gonna make, I'm gonna

22:00 — Daisy runs toward people at full speed, creating a risk of collision.

Speaker 2: Do it, but I'm not gonna like it.

Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'm not gonna give you joy <laugh>,

Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my time.

Speaker 3: And then you have the, you know, your next dog is like the crazy like daisy, you know, you call her and she's a running

Speaker 2: Fast holy. Oh my God. Full throttle. Ready to get full enthusiasm

Speaker 3: And uh,

Speaker 2: Coming in too hot. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes they're crashing into the knees too, which is no good.

Speaker 3: Well that actually brings up another, um, odd thing is we've had some dogs, even Fred just did it today, where they'll come back to you, but then they like go like right through your legs.

Speaker 2: Oh. You know, like they don't, he's a big dog to do that.

Speaker 3: So some dogs would, um, we had a couple dogs where they would jump come running at you and go like through your legs and then we'd have some that would come and they'd go, they, they wouldn't blow by you. They'd come around and then they'd go through your legs. But from behind and like lay down. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Well from behind is the worst. Right.

Speaker 3: 'cause you can't see it coming. You

Speaker 2: Don't see it coming. Yeah. A dog like Fred. Yeah. I mean it's like a pony. Yeah. <laugh> running up between your legs

Speaker 3: Pretty

Speaker 2: Much and knock you straight over.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've had some big dogs that come back with a lot of enthusiasm on. That's good. We call make it really scared. 'cause you're like, are they gonna just like plow into me? Yeah. <laugh>. I think that Great Dane puppy was like that. Mm.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Had to put on the brakes. I forget what was his name? Walter Walker. Walker Walker. I always wanted to call him Walter. Um, yeah, he

Speaker 2: Was leg

Speaker 3: Smashy. He was cute. So cute. But wow, when he came at you, you're like, whoa. I hate o

Speaker 2: Hate the leg. Smashing. Yeah. Dogs do that. You can correct for that. By the way, if your dog's smashing into your legs, doesn't matter. People are like, oh well they came back to you. It's like, I don't care. They're smashing into your legs. Like, I value my knee taps. Yeah, exactly. No leg smashing. A common one is the dogs that carry their own leash around. Right. Especially like if you're practicing recall the long line. They like pick it up and carry it around. Every time you call 'em they'll pick their leash up and carry it back.

Speaker 3: Actually Bella will do that when I take them on walks. If I put their leashes on and then we're gonna go down

Speaker 2: The stairs, it seems a lab thing,

Speaker 3: Stairs. She will. And if I'm like, oh wait a minute, I've, I forgot my watch. Or Oh wait a minute, I gotta get a poop bag. And then she'll follow me around, she'll grab the leash by the handle and she's like, look at that <laugh>.

Speaker 2: Yeah. It's cute. It's cute. I think the labs just like to have something in their mouth. Yeah. In fact, I see this one guy walking all the time with a lab that's got this giant like tree limb.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Some dogs will take toys with them like that. Right.

Speaker 2: And he walks down the road like I've seen them multiple times. Like this dog is always carrying like this giant, it's not like a stick. It's like a branch. Yeah. Like

Speaker 3: A new tree.

Speaker 2: It's like five feet long. <laugh>. Um, just hilarious. And then you get the dogs that are constantly shaking their heads when you have a prong collar on them. Yes. Oh man. Does that drive me nuts? Have you noticed though? It seems to be, I don't know, the dogs that are like, they're like the pushiest dogs. They seem to be the ones that are always shaking their head like, get this thing off me. Like, not necessarily bad, like aggressive, but the ones that are the most resistant to like ever being told what to do. Yeah. Like I've just seen that connection.

25:00 — The hosts associate pushy, resistant dogs with frequent head shaking when equipment or handling…

Speaker 2: You know what other connection I noticed that I was talking about just last night is the dogs. Actually I have a couple here, right. I'm getting carried away. <laugh>, <laugh>. The dogs that are here for behavioral stuff, usually around reactivity or aggression. Right. They tend to have the hardest shape. Like when you take 'em out of the kennel, they shake so hard.

Speaker 3: Yeah. All that nervousness off. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah. That if your hand is there, you'll get hurt by the prong collar, like whipping you like the metal. Like they just shake so so hard. 'cause they're always, they have so much adrenaline, I guess forcing. Yeah.

Speaker 3: They're just so amps up and then

Speaker 2: Their body that when they shake that off, it's just like intense. Intense. But I've also noticed, and this could just be me noticing things that aren't real, I don't know, but I've noticed that there is a higher incidence of being underweight with dogs that are a little more prone to aggression. Not always. I mean, we get aggressive dogs that are just normal weight. Um, and we certainly get underweight dogs that are normally behaved, but I find it's really, really common. Um, there's just a higher rate of that. They just tend to be on the thinner side.

Speaker 3: Why do you think that is? They

Speaker 2: Just, and because they eat like a ton of food. Like I've just noticed that like even right now with Hank, like he gets like twice as much food as a normal dog his size. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Or like, I don't know if you remember Maverick. Yes, I remember Ma The boxer really liked that dog. Um,

Speaker 3: Was he the one way up

Speaker 2: Way up? Yeah. Um, red boxer.

Speaker 3: Yeah. He was

Speaker 2: Thin. Yeah, he was very thin and he ate like five, six cups of food a day. Which is a ton of food

Speaker 3: That metabolism

Speaker 2: <laugh>. Well that's it. There's like, it seems like there's almost like a connection. Yeah. There not necessarily saying one causes the other, but there seems to be some kind of like correlation there, which I just found interesting. Yeah. Because that seems to happen at a higher frequency with those dogs and then with other dogs. I don't know. Just something I've noticed.

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Speaker 3: All right. Um, the dog that was just here that did the mouth snaps. Yeah. He was so cute. Koda. Yeah, Koda. Um, you know, he was almost like he was talking to you. Yeah. You know, and um, you'd, he'd do his his thing, he'd get on place and then, you know, he'd say break and he'd be like,

Speaker 2: I remember Yes.

Speaker 3: He'd give him a straight and he was like telling me, come on, feed

Speaker 2: Me. Yeah. When you would first start working with that dog, it was like,

Speaker 3: Oh, it's so cute.

Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like an alligator. Yeah. Snap, snap, snap. And then not snapping at you. It was like snapping

Speaker 3: Ear. No, he was just doing it. It's like his jaw. It was like clicking together. It was crazy. Um, and um, yeah, he did it less and less, but he still did it the whole time. He was,

Speaker 2: Yeah. Well and I mean of course he did it less. A lot of those things are tied to arousal. Yeah. So as they start to move through the program and Right. They're just calming down a little bit. Yeah. That makes sense. And then people are like, oh my God, you crushed my dog's spirit <laugh>. No, they're just calmer.

Speaker 3: Your spirit was fine. Sorry.

Speaker 2: Hate to break it to you. <laugh>.

Speaker 3: We had, um,

Speaker 2: I had Tati

Speaker 3: On, there was another dog too that is um, um, jump like not jump on you, but like the way he ended the command was he was so excited that he would come back and he would jump up and then jump down. Do you remember

Speaker 2: That? Yeah.

Speaker 3: I um,

Speaker 2: I've seen that a few times. Yeah.

Speaker 3: That was because

Speaker 2: They learned not to jump on you 'cause you correct them. So they just jump up the ground. Yeah. Like popcorn.

Speaker 3: Yeah, like

Speaker 2: <laugh>, which I don't, I don't mind. Um, if it's during a recall, like they run back to you and do that.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: But I guess it depends on the dog. Like everything, you know, <laugh>, we've had a lot of resource garters come through here lately. Um, I mean

Speaker 3: What about, was it Taco, the little tiny dog Taco <laugh> a ball? His owner? No, Zeus. Zeus. Oh yeah. You called him Taco as a nickname, didn't you?

Speaker 2: I called him something like that. Oh, all right.

Speaker 3: Okay. I don't remember what it was, but yeah, his name is Zeus. Okay. And um, and he was, his owner brought him in and his be the bad behavior that she wanted to stop, one of them was that the ball, like she worked from home and he wanted her to play with him with the ball, but then he would roll the ball or it would go under the couch or anywhere and he'd bark incessantly.

Speaker 2: He would think he would purposely

Speaker 3: Bark and bark and

Speaker 2: Bark, roll it under like a piece of furniture.

Speaker 3: And then after day one, he never barked at the ball again because he <laugh>.

Speaker 2: That was over.

Speaker 3: That was crazy.

Speaker 2: I don't know. I I think he is one of the ones. So that unraveled a little bit when he went home. Still was a lot better than before. Yeah. But I think she let him get away with a little bit too much. Yeah. And when he came back for his follow up, he was a little crazy.

Speaker 3: Or even Elvis, remember that reactivity? Oh,

Speaker 2: When he came back, I gotta say Elvis. We had Elvis and Dragon here at like the same time or like back to back. Yeah. And they're like two of the most reactive dogs we've ever had. <laugh>.

Speaker 3: Yeah. One

Speaker 2: It was challenging month around here.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Elvis was crazy though. Elvis was hot. She brought him in and he just barked, I think for what, 20 minutes straight. We're just like,

Speaker 2: Yo. Yeah. We

Speaker 3: Got it on video. We're just

Speaker 2: Drop. Like,

Speaker 3: Is he gonna stop <laugh>? I was like, what's

Speaker 2: Going on? Yeah. I mean we could hear him coming out of the parking lot,

Speaker 3: We're like, what's happening? And it, nothing was happening. They were just walking in the building. Which

Speaker 2: Surprised me because I knew he was dog

Speaker 3: Reactive. Yeah. We thought maybe the dogs from across the hall were out or something. But it wasn't,

Speaker 2: No, there were no dogs. He was just barking like that because they got out of the car.

Speaker 3: Yeah. And then they came in and he just barked

Speaker 2: Loud the whole

Speaker 3: Time.

Speaker 2: Like big loud incessant bark. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I do have that video somewhere. I had it posted.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: It was, it was intense. They're doing well. They're doing a lot better. That's

Speaker 3: Good. He's such a good dog.

Speaker 2: I, I think they still have some stuff to polish up. 'cause you know, relationship wise it's really hard to get everything in place Right when you have a dog that's that challenging. But yeah, that was one of the worst intakes <laugh> we've ever seen.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I mean, if you remember Fred who was just here, like literally Fred just left like 20 minutes ago. He came in barking.

Speaker 3: Yeah. He wasn't wasn't he the one that like barked at me or was that blue? Yeah, it was either Blue or Fred.

Speaker 2: I think they both did.

Speaker 3: Yeah. It was

Speaker 2: Scary. Oh, he wasn't as bad as Elvis, but he came in all huffing and puffing and barking and, and he's big, like Fred's a big unsettling.

Speaker 3: <laugh> <laugh> very deep, deep bark.

Speaker 2: But he just, yeah. When there's like, not even anyone around, like there's just coming through the parking lot like that and there's no people and there's no dogs. It's like, okay, like you are gonna be a fun one. <laugh>, <laugh>. Um, but Fred, you know, turned if you, you know, he's convinced he just gives it right up and snaps right into shape. Not all dogs are that easy. I mean, I think Elvis definitely did not fall into that category. No. Like his nervous system is a whole other level. Very, very challenging guy.

Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember having him outside. We were practicing downs out there. And he was even reacting to the geese flying in through the sky. Yeah. Over overhead. <laugh>,

Speaker 2: Any kind of visual. Especially something that Yeah,

Speaker 3: He was, and then he was barking at him.

Speaker 2: Then you lose it. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. That was a crazy intake. <laugh>. Well, you know what I saw the other day, 'cause of course I have, I follow some other trainers, but I've got lots of, uh, trainers on my friend's list. <laugh>. Occasionally you'll see some funny stuff come by. And the point I was bringing up about the resource guarders is I saw one of them made a post and was like, today I had a dog vomit everywhere in their kennel and then guard it Ferociously <laugh>. I know. And they're like, this is the day I decide dog training just isn't for me.

Speaker 2: <laugh>,

Speaker 4: That's a good, that's, that's about rights worse than the poop <laugh>

Speaker 2: It, it, why? Just why? Like really? Like, and then someone else chimed in and was like, yeah, you know, I had a dog that would mark in the house and then if she saw you going to clean it up, she put you in the hospital. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck? <laugh>. I mean, seriously, like you piss on my floor, which is bad enough, but then I go to clean it up and you run over and bite me. Um, yeah, that would be, that would be a conversation. <laugh> with that dog. Yes. Oh, dogs. And you go for little spin.

Speaker 2: Like, no way, man. I just thought that was, those were both pretty.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Speaker 2: That's pretty funny. I mean, not funny, but

Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny now it's funny now after the fact. It's a funny story, but,

Speaker 2: Uh, want it to happen tonight. But it's funny. Yeah. But yeah, you just never know what dogs are gonna do. They can guard anything. It's got crazy stuff up their sleeves. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But Niblet, we haven't talked about Niblet. Niblet has some oddities about him. So <laugh>, he always has to be touching somebody. So like he'll come and sit against your foot or your leg or he'll do it to boo all the time. He'll go over and just sit against Boo, which boo doesn't care. Um, but that, it seems to sort of be a pug thing.

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Speaker 2: I, my last pug would do that too. And he would do that to our other dog, which was a Rottweiler and she didn't really like it so much, so she'd growl at him. Oh yeah. And he'd do it anyway. He didn't care. That's, that's pugs. Like they're just, they're on a whole other level. <laugh>,

Speaker 2: They're like above all this, um, rules and boundaries stuff. So <laugh>, you know, before I was a dog trainer, I was like, oh, whatever, he wants to sit there. She doesn't seem to care. She was growling at him. I'm lucky she didn't just like take his head off. Right. She was a pretty good dog. But yeah, so he, he's always gonna be touching someone. Um, which is, you know, again, I think is sort of a pug thing. But also he does this weird thing where he, he likes to chew and he is got a couple of toys and so he'll be chewing on his toy, but he doesn't like to chew on it on the floor.

Speaker 2: He like <laugh> special places. Well, he needs to have something to kind of hold it for him. So it's, it's so gross because if it's wet, like he'll come over like put it on your foot <laugh> or against your leg.

Speaker 2: Like he, he's like, hold this for me while I chew. Yeah. A lot of dogs wanna like push their bones into you while they're mouth again. He he does that and, um, gross sometimes. Yeah. Or like if he has a hard toy that's like a bone, he'll find an object in the house to like set it on while he is chewing it and it'll just be like making this loud grounding. Like, so you're sitting there like trying to do work on the computer and he is just like scrape, scrape, scrape, scrape. 'cause like he has to have something to hold his toy while he's chewing on it.

Speaker 2: Um, but one of the other weird things about him, and this started when he was little, little, little, because I remember seeing a video from the breeder where she was, she had all these pugs, oh my God.

Speaker 2: Keeps saying the world. All these pugs like out on her porch and she's calling them inside and they all come running through the door inside. Except for this one, which is of course the one I ended up with. <laugh> should have been your first red flag. <laugh> first red flag. Um, ignored because of the cute factor. Um, he just would stop in the doorway and stare like he didn't know what to do, <laugh> what to do. And then I had the same problem with him at home. He didn't wanna go through the doors. Uh, so most people have a problem with like, getting their dog not to go through the door.

Speaker 2: Like my dog, dog would not go through doors. Even the crate, I'd put him in his crate, right. And he'd be in there and he was good as gold. And his crate, like crate training was super easy. He did wonderful. But like, I would open the crate door and he'd just sit there and look at me and like, I'd call him out like, pet my, you know, use the body language like pet my legs like scooch down. Like, no.

Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because Zoe actually has a weird tendency like that to not always, but um, sometimes she won't jump up on the couch or she's coming up the deck. Um, she won't come up the stairs. It's almost like there's ghosts, you know, it's like, why

Speaker 2: Won't it not? Like she can see something you

Speaker 3: Can't see every day. You go out and you come in and you do this thing. And then every once in a while she won't. And um, I'm like, okay, what's going on? Or she'll jump on the bed every night. She puts herself on the bed, but sometimes it's like she doesn't how and she'll just stand there and sometimes she'll come back out to the living room and look at me and then go back and I'm like, oh, you need to get on the bed because <laugh> God. Or you have to like grab her collar

Speaker 2: Surface

Speaker 3: And pull her towards it. And she like starts to do the backing up thing and then she'll jump up. It's

Speaker 2: Strange, weird. Yeah.

Speaker 3: It's like, you know how to do it. What

Speaker 2: Are you doing? It's like, no mom's grim. Reaper of the stairwell. Is there my

Speaker 3: Ghosts? You know, what's going

Speaker 2: On? Too funny. Well, that's it. I think those are all the funny things I can think of for now. I know there's a million more. We'll have to do another one sometime. We'll keep accumulating a list. But, um, that's, I don't care to share any more weird stuff that my dogs do. 'cause I think I have made them sound weird or not. <laugh>,

Speaker 3: I actually had one last weird thing that I totally forgot about until now. Um, my previous dog, Zachary, um, English Springer, and he was kind of neurotic in his own way, but when he ate, he would go up to his food dish. I might have told you this before. He would go to his food bowl, grab his kibble, and then he'd walk away from it leaving a trail. And then he would walk himself back and as he walked back to the bowl, he would eat what he spilled and that he could never just sit at the bowl and eat.

Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, that's incredibly weird.

Speaker 3: Back and forth and back and forth,

Speaker 2: Back and forth. That's fucking strange. <laugh>.

Speaker 3: It was strange. And it was, it was comical because it got to be this thing where not only would he not stand at the bowl, but then he would leave and he would drop it and then he would come back a few seconds later, eat what he dropped and do it. And this was his thing until he was finished. Probably took him 20 minutes. He just food.

Speaker 2: Your dog was bored to death. <laugh> he was making up. Oh no. Well that's it for us today guys. Thanks for joining us. We hope

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